Post by: Jason Bader - Principal, The Distribution Team
September 1, 2019
Jason will help you take on a journey to a new way of interviewing new hires or those vying for promotion. Great new ideas await you in this article! I was recently listening to a podcast interview with one of my favorite thought leaders, Daniel Pink. Pink has this amazing ability to make sense of very complex behavioral issues. He rolls them out in a way that allows those of us who took to the more social side of university life to understand and apply motivational techniques. If you have not seen any of his work, I would highly suggest a quick search on “the science behind motivation dan pink”. The animated YouTube video is absolutely brilliant, and I often incorporated it into leadership training. All than man-crush aside, this interview touched briefly on the concept of “motivational interviewing” as a method of persuasion. As often happens to me when I listen to smart people, this was another one of those 2 x 4 to the back of the head moment.
The concept is fairly simple but touches on some complex motivational theories. The example he gave in this interview was talking about persuading a teenager to study for an upcoming test. As those of you with children know, this can lead to some of those moments where you are not going to win “parent of the year”. When asking the teenager when they are going to study, he receives the standard response of “I dunno” or “later” and the child continues to surf YouTube or play Xbox. Many of us would start to list all the reason why the teenager should study for the test. Good grades lead to a good school. A good school leads to a good job. A good job leads to a good income. A good income will get you of my payroll, etc. Unfortunately, this logic falls on deaf ears and we tend to escalate our rationale. Perhaps I am projecting here, but this often leads to such effective motivational tools as a “lifetime ban on electronics” or “grounding for life”. Ultimately, the failure occurs because our reasons for studying for the test are just that – ours. They are not the reasons of the teenage mind. Motivation comes from personal reasons for completing the task at hand.
So how do we tease out this personal motivation? Pink introduces the idea of asking two seemingly irrational questions. First, he needs to set a baseline. After the first failure of the “When are you going to study for the test?”, he switches gears. The question might sound something like this, “Ok, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being highly motivated and 1 being not motivated at all, where would you say you are on being motivated to study for this test?” Let’s say that the teenager comes back with a response of 3. Now most of us parents would lose our marbles and fall into the previous behavior of volume-based motivation where we list all the above-mentioned reasons to study for the test and the results would be the same. One the other hand, Pink suggests that the next question should be geared toward assessing their own personal motivation. It might go something like this: “Ok, so you are a 3, why didn’t you choose a lower number?” Insert exploding head emoji.
By asking the second question in this manner, you are inviting the teenager to explore their own motivations for studying for the test. As they start to rattle off a few reasons, we need to recognize that these are the things that are most important to them. If the person can articulate these reasons for doing the desired behavior, you are steering them toward the desired outcome because people believe their own reasons more strongly than the reasons of others.